somebody who has been vocal is texas governor rick perry. >> scouting is about teaching a substantial amount of life lessons, sexuality is not one of them. never has been. doesn't need to be. >> that, okay. there are people who think that. that's the proof, right, john? >> that's kind of absurd. >> you know, when i was involved in the scouts, i wanted to be involved in the scouts for the same reasons everybody else did. i loved camping, swimming, the activities and certainly, the last thing in my mind was sexuality at that point in my life. and so, you know, i just talked today to you know, an individual who is active in the church today. he is gay. and he served as a scout master and you know, again, i think that there are so many of us that have participated for a long time.